Why buy a Honda Accord when you can get a RWD turbo manual sedan?

"AM3R" (AM3R) 10/04/2014 at 19:30 • Filed to: BMW

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I hate to steal the spotlight from Tavarish, but this just has to be said. Why would you buy a Honda Accord Touring when you can get an F10 BMW 535i WITH a manual transmission and rear wheel drive?

Both come in at about $33k. Sure, the Bimmer will have 20-30k on it, but look at what you get. A twin scroll turbocharged inline 6 engine, a 6 speed manual transmission, and pretty much every option available on the Honda.

Don't get me wrong. I love Honda. The new Honda accord is a great car, my dad has an '07 V6 SE that I've spent a decent amount of time driving. Not a bad daily driver at all. The thing is, it's not a BMW. Why would you spend $33,630 on a Honda Accord? Why not step up into something... Better? The folks over at Car Buying already told you why only chumps buy new cars, so take advantage of a great deal. Let someone else take that depreciation hit.

Enough slandering new cars, let's talk about this F10 535i. This car is Black saphire metallic over black Dakota leather. It's nicely optioned with the Premium package 2, which includes a 16 speaker sound system with a 9-channel amplifier. It has i-Drive, which after the 2009 update is very easy to use. My own car features the pre 2009 i-Drive, it's still easy to use after spending half an hour playing with it. This car is sitting on what I believe are E63 BMW M6 wheels, which if genuine fetch a nice amount of cash. The car is not an M-sport model, but the multi contour heated front seats should do a good enough job keeping you secure on a blast down the backroads.

My favorite thing about the car isn't the comfort access or the backup camera. It's the engine. The N55 is a lovely engine. It's more reliable than the notorious N54 used in the E9x 335i's before the 2010MY, and still retains most of the insane tunability. People are regularly tuning these to 400whp and 400wtq. With just a Tune and a downpipe, the N55 can roll with the E9x M3, with a helluva lot more torque! If you don't think that's impressive, you need to get off Oppositelock.

Who doesn't want a sedan that could sound like this?

The aftermarket support for the F10 is amazing. The car looks classy and tame right now, but you can transform it into whatever your heart desires. It may not be miata light, but you can take this autocrossing or to the track. Don't expect E30 like performance though, this is a 5 series after all. This is a low mileage, one owner car.

Still want that Honda Accord?

http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/16DF1B8…

dogisbadob > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 19:50

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Yeah, but the Accord has Honda reliability and VTEC :p

djmt1 > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 19:52

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Yup, gotta love that warranty.

Jayhawk Jake > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 19:54

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Peace of mind that there is a warranty. Perceived reliability of Honda over BMW. Maintenance and upkeep. It's new.

Also, there's one thing no one mentions when comparing used to new: ease of acquisition. When you buy new it's easy: show up to a dealer, pick the one you want, drive away with a new car.

Used? You can do a similar thing if you go certified pre owned, but good luck finding exactly what you want. You can hunt for a good deal of you shop around, but that takes time and effort. It's not as simple as driving up to a lot and getting what you want.

Finally, financing though I'm not sure on this one. I think I've heard it's easier to finance new than used. Feel free to correct me on that

AM3R > djmt1 10/04/2014 at 19:55

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you can buy a CPO 535i for mid $30's. I also wouldn't worry about an engine that's been used since the 2009MY. It was made to combat the issues that plagued the N54, and it did that well.

Stevo777 > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 19:59

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Sweet! Wish I found my car in stick. The only complaint I have is that the stock suspension is almost too soft. I swapped mine out for a DINAN set. Best decision ever.

djmt1 > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 19:59

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I guess that's fair but I wouldn't buy either of them partly because I don't buy new cars and most because I can get an EP3 Type R for £2,000 or an E39 M5 for £5000. Gotta love the UK used car market.

AM3R > Stevo777 10/04/2014 at 20:03

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ah you have a 550i right? Those are a little harder to find with 3 pedals.

I've heard that before, the DINAN set is great. I personally would've gone for coilovers simply because they hold value so well. Whenever I sell he car could sell the coilovers for over half the initial price.

AM3R > djmt1 10/04/2014 at 20:04

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I dream of the day $5000 gets me an E39 M5.. I'd take one over both of these.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jayhawk Jake 10/04/2014 at 20:06

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You can't always get what you want from a dealer new, sometimes you have to have them order one for you. Usually I think they'll do it. I also have no idea what I'm talking about,

qbeezy > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 20:10

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idk if you heard, but BMW slashed some of the benefits of having CPO. Making it not as good of a desk as it was before.

AM3R > qbeezy 10/04/2014 at 20:14

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yeah I'm mainly talking about the extended warranty available on CPO vehicles.

qbeezy > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 20:22

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Lol just saw my"desk ". With the extended warranty, I am 100% in agreement.

AM3R > qbeezy 10/04/2014 at 20:28

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the extended warranty is a pretty sweet deal. The F10 doesn't really have any major issues either, so i'd certainly feel comfortable doing this.

ssonsk > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 20:41

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I can't see anyone with $30k to spend buying a 6spd F10 5series when you can get a e90/e92 m3 for the same price. Newer 5 series are land yatchs made for comfort and the occasional highway hoon. Have a 6speed in one of these seems like it would annoy the piss out of me; however, If it were a M5 I'd eat everything I just said.

AM3R > ssonsk 10/04/2014 at 20:43

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I like the way you think, and I'd rather just spend $40k on a ZCP M3 but some people need more space.

ssonsk > Jayhawk Jake 10/04/2014 at 20:47

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It's waaaay easier to finance new. Although I much prefer to finance through a personal bank. If you go through a bank they: give you an amount you can spend (you can buy from a person or a dealership), and give you a criteria the car has to meet (certain age limits,mileage, and has to generally be over $10k). Though my bank will allow you to finance anything no matter age or cost that has a NADA book value. They'll finance a 1991 Nsx or a 1980 3 series.

DrScientist > ssonsk 10/04/2014 at 20:54

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ive been up and down the nyc-philly axis looking at cars, and havent found a cpo e90/92 m3 anywhere near 30k.

ssonsk > DrScientist 10/04/2014 at 21:00

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Anything from carmax is pretty much CPO. All their cars have gone through reconditioning. Slap an extended warranty on with a low deductible and enjoy your worry free M3.

And even if it's CPO something is going to go wrong at some point.

http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/…

Freddy "Tavarish" Hernandez > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 21:17

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STOP STEALING MY THUNDER!!!!

*finds 535i* :)

AM3R > Freddy "Tavarish" Hernandez 10/04/2014 at 21:18

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Haha, there are at least 3 manual 535i's near me for a similar price, some with even fewer miles. It really is a bargain.

Tip: w212's can be had for high $20's..

Snooder87 > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 21:24

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How long can you extend the warranty for?

AM3R > Snooder87 10/04/2014 at 21:30

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6 years/100k I believe.

Jayhawk Jake > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback 10/04/2014 at 21:38

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They'll look for a trade first. My Kia was brought in from another dealer.

They won't do that for a used car though, so it's stilll a reason people buy new

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Jayhawk Jake 10/04/2014 at 21:40

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Yeah.. I've never purchased a car new or used from a dealer. Nor have I purchased a car ever. I'm 16 if you didn't already know.

Snooder87 > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 21:41

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So basically 3 years from now since it's a 2011?

AM3R > Snooder87 10/04/2014 at 21:44

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no, if you buy that extended warranty it will begin now.

Snooder87 > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 21:46

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oh, six years from CPO purchase, not original purchase? Is that on all models?

AM3R > Snooder87 10/04/2014 at 21:49

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I'm pretty sure that's the case with all CPO BMW's, but I bet M cars are different.

Snooder87 > AM3R 10/04/2014 at 22:06

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Can you link me to the warranty? The only I can find says that it's 6 years from original in service date, i.e. 2 years after the new vehicle warranty ends.

AM3R > Snooder87 10/04/2014 at 22:13

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Whoops, looks like you're right. Sorry, I'm reading the same things you are now. 6 years from in service date.

I had a conversation with a SA at my local dealer who was trying to get me into a CPO E90 328i (I already have one, albeit an '07) he offered me a 6 year 100k warranty for AFTER the factory warranty expired.

SoManyBlueCars > AM3R 10/05/2014 at 08:06

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Couldn't you just get a brand new F30? I paid just a little bit more then 33k for mine, and I get the benefit of a full Warrenty, no miles, and zero scratches.

DrScientist > ssonsk 10/05/2014 at 09:09

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right.

but texas. id prefer driving the car before getting into any paperwork.

also, i may have misread, but i thought the original question was new accord v cpo 5series. maybe i was wrong. and wouldnt the extended warranty increase the initial sale a couple k, requiring this to be rethought altogether?

oh hypotheticals...

ssonsk > DrScientist 10/05/2014 at 15:52

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You can get it sent to a store close to you without making any commitment to buy. I don't see anywhere that says cpo. The extended warranty for my 02 m3 was around $4k. If you're financing the vehicle through your bank they can just add that on the loan without having to get permission (if they offer a warranty). CPO is a great thing, but it really isn't worth waiting for one to pop up imo.

AM3R > SoManyBlueCars 10/05/2014 at 16:15

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yeah but the F30 is smaller than the Accord and the F10. It also wouldn't be as nicely optioned.

bud and laurel sebaceous > AM3R 10/05/2014 at 21:56

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mr locks sirs, an 'ccordion? sirs, 'ccodions be reel gud fer dem polkars.

RickyD > AM3R 10/06/2014 at 20:17

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I just picked up a super duper ultra cherry E39 530i for 2800, I don't want to sell it :(

AM3R > RickyD 10/06/2014 at 21:14

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WHAT! That's a steal! Pictures?

RickyD > AM3R 10/06/2014 at 21:37

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AM3R > RickyD 10/06/2014 at 21:41

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clean! How'd you manage to get it for so little? High miles + auto transmission?

RickyD > AM3R 10/06/2014 at 21:48

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Auto Trans, 139k miles. Runs absolutely perfect and has a clean history. Someone knocked on my door and said they heard I buy cars. said that is what they wanted. Had the title in hand and everything. I think another dealer probably wanted to give them that much in trade and they ran with that number. Retails for 8100, I am selling for 6,999 on my lot.

AM3R > RickyD 10/06/2014 at 22:42

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fair price, if it were manual and near me I'd check it out. Let me know if you get any manual E39's in, specifically sport package models. I'd be willing to travel for one of those.

RickyD > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 00:15

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I saw a manual six speed v8 w/ 109k go for like9700 at the auction a few weeks ago. People pay stupid money for the unicorns.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 01:51

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Dat BMW looks so f'ing good

AM3R > RickyD 10/07/2014 at 06:18

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Oh yeah, 9700 is retail for a v8 with that mileage!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 06:20

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F10 is so handsome

RickyD > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 06:38

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Yeah, I dropped out of bidding when it blew past 5500.
I already have enough toys lol

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 15:03

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I think it's one of the best looking bimmers in years

The M5 is pure sex, from the looks department. It's heavy and doesn't sound good. But it looks amazing.

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 15:43

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Imagine if it had the S85 from the E60 and the handling of an E39...

I'd have one right now.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 15:46

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It would be the ultimate sedan!!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 16:02

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This is random, but if you sell the E46 you should pick up an S2k. Not really sure they'll appreciate, but they're becoming harder and harder to find unmolested.

You'd also get to enjoy the top down all the time being on the west coast.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 16:10

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That would be a sweet car. But I'm addicted to MOAR POWER

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 16:14

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T-T-T-T-TURBO!!

The s2k can handle a serious amount of boost conpletely stock. 10psi (which is pretty low) is good for about 300whp.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 16:17

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But I'm anti-turbo. My goal is to never again buy a car that doesn't have all of these traits:

RWD

N/A

Gated shifter

This is going to severely limit my choice in cars. Hopefully I never have a big family because the E90 will need to be big enough to haul them around since I'm not allowed to buy anything without a gated shifter, and I don't know of a bigger car with a gated shifter!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 16:32

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If you end up with twins, I'd strongly suggest picking up an LCI E91 and doing a full M3 conversion. You already have a donor car M3!

Those are some badass requirements. I love those, I might have to make those my own requirements too.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 16:40

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Haha that's true, I could always go that route!

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 16:40

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And yes, you should make them your own requirements too!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 16:56

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I definitely should.

Your thoughts? https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/470237…

BustedM3 > ssonsk 10/07/2014 at 17:01

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Don't get me wrong, I'd take the E90... But if someone wants easier upkeep and more of a luxury ride, while still having a nice car, I'd send them towards the F10 all day. The E90 M3 is firm as hell compared to the F10.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 17:09

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it's blue and manual

Sold!!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 17:24

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I need to see more pictures. I want it!!

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 18:09

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Question - which engines are more reliable: the earlier ones or the later ones?

ssonsk > BustedM3 10/07/2014 at 18:39

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Yeah exactly. I've driven f10s and they're amazing to drive, but I just don't see anyone getting one of these for a sporty car over other things. Especially if you can get the older e60 M5 for even cheaper with a v10.

ssonsk > BustedM3 10/07/2014 at 18:46

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Honestly it's just my logic with cars. When I buy cars I get the fastest, most over-engineered model made. If I bought a 525 or 550 every time I even looked at it I would think: "I should have got a M5."

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 18:57

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well the early (95MY) obd1 S50 engined M3's weren't necessarily more reliable, but they were easier to diagnose and in turn repair.

The later (96-99MY) obd2 S52's had more hp and tq. They dont respond as well to mods. For example; a tune, exhaust, and an intake would yield better results on a dyno if the E36 was a 95.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 19:03

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Interesting!

So maybe this car is a good buy

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 19:07

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I just wanna see more pictures first! Gonna email him tonight.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 19:08

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If it's a good car then you need to buy it!!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 20:38

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if it checks out, this is a huge NP.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 20:40

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Hopefully no rust!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 21:03

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I sure hope not.

GUESS WHAT! I just found out one of my close friends uncle is one of the guys who plans the route in the gold rush rally!!

My non enthusiast friends have cool family members :(

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 21:06

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why can't we have these kinds of uncles???

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 21:16

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Yeah what does a guy gotta do to have a cool uncle??

I have an uncle that drives an old volvo. Boom.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 21:17

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One of my uncles has a shitbox. The other doesn't even have a car!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 22:26

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I have no enthusiasts in my family. My cousin drives a modded B8 A4, that's it though. It sucks :(

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 22:28

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Hey that counts! At least you have him.

I have my Dad. But nobody around my age. My cousins drive appliances. My only sibling lives in SF and has no car!

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 22:51

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He bought it modded, I don't think it counts haha.

Yeah my siblings don't really like cars like I do. One of my sisters wants a G class badly though.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/07/2014 at 22:58

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That still counts! If he didn't like cool cars then he wouldn't have bought it. He would have bought a new Accord :)

My sister LOVES the E90 M3. She wants to steal it.

AM3R > Manuél Ferrari 10/07/2014 at 23:23

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Great news.. I was texting my sister while I watched top gear and I discovered that she loves the 911. Yes!!!! There's hope!!!!!

I should convince her to pick up a nice 997.2.

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/08/2014 at 00:26

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Nice!!! This is what you should tell her to buy:

997.2 Carrera with PASM

She picks stick or PDK

It should have navigation and rear parking sensors

Reason for suggesting a highly optioned base Carrera: I'm guessing it will be way cheaper than a C2S. Gearheads all want the C2S. If she doesn't need it to be crazy fast then a base Carrera that has PASM and rear parking sensors will be a lot nicer than my car (I have neither and wish I did as PASM rules and rear parking sensors would have prevented my mishap earlier in the year!)

Manuél Ferrari > AM3R 10/08/2014 at 02:11

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you should buy this car!!

A little expensive

But

Look at the mileage

And the interior!

I thought you would like this 2010 Audi R8 for $114,988 on AutoTrader.com

View on website:

http://atcm.co/S2PVDP/16CE646…

Cirrus_flight > AM3R 10/10/2014 at 06:31

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I my area mid 30's for a 535i is pricing from three years ago and for a pretty basic car. Try high thirties to low Forties today and 45-70k on the OD.

Cirrus_flight > AM3R 10/10/2014 at 06:32

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Bought a Honda Accord once and traded it back in two years. Such a boring, noisy, uncomfortable car.

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > AM3R 10/10/2014 at 09:23

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Why do it? Because the Accord is more engaging to drive.

Party-vi > AM3R 10/10/2014 at 12:06

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CPO only gives you a continuation of the factory warranty and 2yr/50,000 miles for a total of 6yr/100,000 mile coverage. Just enough time for you to replace two turbochargers.

Party-vi > AM3R 10/10/2014 at 12:07

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Why buy an affordable family sedan with full warranty and cheap repair and insurance when you could buy a used luxury car with unknown driving history, increased insurance premiums and ungodly service costs?

avens > AM3R 10/10/2014 at 13:16

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The good old comparing apples and oranges. New vs used, different objectives.

avens > avens 10/10/2014 at 13:18

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Also, VTEC yo.

AM3R > Cirrus_flight 10/10/2014 at 15:06

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right outside of DC I'm seeing around 3 that are manual for mid 30's. If I went auto I'd find even more.

AM3R > Party-vi 10/10/2014 at 15:07

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"ungodly service costs" lol

Party-vi > AM3R 10/10/2014 at 15:10

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I mean, compared to a Honda. You'll never have to replace the clutch in the Honda since it's a slushbox, never have to get the turbos replaced, etc. The parts for the Honda are less expensive, not to mention tires will be cheaper since the wheels are smaller and the speed rating is lower.

Yes, a used 535 would be awesome for someone who wants a BMW but can only afford an Accord, but for everyone else it makes no sense, and that makes me happy because it means there's one more 535i left in a dealer lot for me to snag.

AM3R > Party-vi 10/10/2014 at 15:18

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All good points.

Personally, I'd never spend $34k on an accord. If I wanted to save money, I'd buy a CPO accord for $17k and drive it into the ground.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > Party-vi 10/11/2014 at 15:53

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Because it's a much, much, much better car? Unknown driving history....so what. Its in great shape, they aren't made of wax. No problem. Also...the German car service myth is beyond silly. If you're not blowing all your extra money on drugs and hookers, you can afford to keep a used mid-level 6 cylinder 5 series serviced just fine.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > ssonsk 10/11/2014 at 15:53

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30 might get you a beat-to-shit M3, not one you'd necessarily want to buy though.

Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment > AM3R 10/11/2014 at 15:55

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Awesome post, these are amazing cars. There are starting to be some serious tuning options for the N55, we will see 600 whp soon.

Typical moronic comments about how everyone should only ever buy brand new Japanese economy cars. Why are you even on this site if you're going to make that remark.

ssonsk > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 10/11/2014 at 18:06

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http://www.carmax.com/enus/view-car/…

http://www.erhardbmw.com/VehicleDetails…

one owner^^

http://www.napletonsastonmartinofchicago.com/used/BMW/2008-…

Took me a couple minutes to find these and a heap more

AM3R > Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment 10/11/2014 at 19:51

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THANK YOU! I'm not forcing anyone to buy this. Have a little fun people!

The N55 is a sweet engine. I'd love to own one eventually, an LCI E90 M-sport 335i would be nice. I'll make a post with one of those soon haha!

Fresh-Outta-Nissans > Manuél Ferrari 10/12/2014 at 05:08

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Your E90 has a what now? SHOW US

Manuél Ferrari > Fresh-Outta-Nissans 10/12/2014 at 13:40

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Ha ha that came out wrong. The E90 doesn't have a gated shifter. I just bought it before I came up with this rule, so the car gets an exemption.

Fresh-Outta-Nissans > Manuél Ferrari 10/12/2014 at 16:25

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Ahhhhhhhh. Well, I found a gated shift kit for E36. I bet you could bring the sedan up to par.

Manuél Ferrari > Fresh-Outta-Nissans 10/12/2014 at 16:30

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no way! I didn't know that was even possible

But now you're really going to be disappointed. The E90 has the DCT :P